(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Masters, Round 4, Board 1, Mingming (Stephanie) Yin (1P) Zi Yang (Matthew) Hu (1P)]PW[Mingming (Stephanie) Yin]PB[Zi Yang (Matthew) Hu]WR[1p]BR[1p]DT[2013-08-10]EV[North American Masters]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dave Weimer]C[Architect [2k\]: who will play?
H2SO4 [5d?\]: white and black
Architect [2k\]: Genius!
H2SO4 [5d?\]: based on the names on the list
H2SO4 [5d?\]: lol
floating [2k\]: how's this tournament going
H2SO4 [5d?\]: btw who won the last game?
H2SO4 [5d?\]: my computer lagged and i had to leave
Architect [2k\]: dont know too sulfuric
floating [2k\]: round 6. What's the format of this tournament
Architect [2k\]: who will play?
Nosabe [-\]: Hu and Yin ?
floating [2k\]: I went to website on the relayers info and from there to http://www.gocongress.org/ but I can't see info about the results and stuff
floating [2k\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/166 ah this one
Nosabe [-\]: they are both 3-0
floating [2k\]: does not say on that url + or - on the round 5
DrStraw [-\]: That link is not nmuch use - it does not have MMS score in it
Nosabe [-\]: this game is not for the Open tournament
floating [2k\]: can't find mingming there
Nosabe [-\]: itt is round 4 of the Masters tournament
floating [2k\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/168 this =
floating [2k\]: no..
BOThater36 [4d\]: SO what is the result of this morning' game, table 1 and 2?
floating [2k\]: which of the tournaments holds the most value, the masters ?
BOThater36 [4d\]: any1 knows Li vs. Hu result?
pete038861 [13k\]: when will it start?
Architect [2k\]: is there stream?
Rukis [1k\]: Go MIngming~
floating [2k\]: all of them are asian descend :p
floating [2k\]: t
pete038861 [13k\]: Im asian too, why Im 13k?
Rukis [1k\]: 100% of the 7d's at congress or stronger were asian -.-
Rukis [1k\]: you must'nt be asian enouhg :<
guapo [2k\]: the open
Rukis [1k\]: -joking-
floating [2k\]: not to be racist or anything, but there should be a tournament for strongest without asian blood :p
pete038861 [13k\]: Im the weakest asian ever
floating [2k\]: asians are too go-smart
Rukis [1k\]: xD
Rukis [1k\]: or they just sit home 13H a day and study
Rukis [1k\]: or go out and study...
guapo [2k\]: but we are better at chess so..
Rukis [1k\]: actually
Rukis [1k\]: Europeans are
Rukis [1k\]: lol
pete038861 [13k\]: I was told that a 2 week go learn can beat the 11k gnu bot with ease. now I fail that on asian standard
alienist [5k\]: we ARE?
guapo [2k\]: how do you know im not european?
Rukis [1k\]: idk but if i had to guess
alienist [5k\]: I'm lousy at both
floating [2k\]: I guess all these strong asian blood american go players have a strong background of learning it at very young age and stuff.. so maybe that is part of the reason too
Rukis [1k\]: and look your probably on the american client in the US would be about 70%?
guapo [2k\]: a better guess would be because it would be too late in europe >>
Rukis [1k\]: nah
Rukis [1k\]: I know people in europe never sleep
Rukis [1k\]: so not possibru
ligo [4k\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/167
guapo [2k\]: but it doenst matter, american/european, thats western, we are better than asians at the board game of chess
Rukis [1k\]: Then play shodi
Rukis [1k\]: shogi*
pete038861 [13k\]: asian good at calculation and that has a lot to do with go so you have a clear guess now
alienist [5k\]: we are?
Rukis [1k\]: that'll change your mind
BOThater36 [4d\]: Matt Burrall is 7 dan
guapo [2k\]: whos that
alienist [5k\]: love that "we"!
Rukis [1k\]: he wasnt playing in the strong players room...
floating [2k\]: there is Matthew Harwit in this tournament
Rukis [1k\]: or id idnt see him
AzureSea [4d\]: battle of 1p!
pete038861 [13k\]: and asians train hard to play go
AzureSea [4d\]: lol i bet u want white to win rukis xD
guapo [2k\]: the game hasnt even starting and the kibitz is so strong lol
alienist [5k\]: and goofy
pete038861 [13k\]: I think a go hobby european can easily beat a go hobby asian in terms of effort
pete038861 [13k\]: I mean with same effot
alienist [5k\]: goofy er
BOThater36 [4d\]: no kidding
Rukis [1k\]: Dang straight!
Rukis [1k\]: even though i thought i signed up to play her yesterday >.>
guapo [2k\]: are you saying that asians are born with a natural talent for go?
alienist [5k\]: and gooofyy er
Rukis [1k\]: yes
pete038861 [13k\]: you taking the vice versa
pete038861 [13k\]: talking*
Rukis [1k\]: they unlock this natural talent by studying
floating [2k\]: the non-asian background strongest aga folks should visit egc as there are more non-asians to clash for the white man supremacy .. shit that sounds so racist
pete038861 [13k\]: I think asians are really good at calculation, but thats all
pete038861 [13k\]: Im not even racist
Terranigma [2k\]: On that topic, why do so many Chinese have (additional) Westernized names? Seems so unnecessary...
Herod [-\]: Watch your language please
Rukis [1k\]: nah not racist until someone gets offended
Rukis [1k\]: xD
guapo [2k\]: they just invented the game, of course they are better
Rukis [1k\]: BEcause most americans are too lazy to pronouce their names right
Rukis [1k\]: even after told
alienist [5k\]: ranging to ignorant
H2SO4 [5d?\]: guapo
pete038861 [13k\]: I dont think its a noraml chinese who invented the game
H2SO4 [5d?\]: no its because asians grew up with go as westers grew up with chess
pete038861 [13k\]: it must not be chinese
Terranigma [2k\]: I guess so. But that way Americans will never change. ._.
Rukis [1k\]: nah 
Rukis [1k\]: someday
guapo [2k\]: and why is that? cause the game has asians roots
Rukis [1k\]: .. hopefully lol
ataribenji [3k\]: I thought Go came from Zanzibar, like Freddie Mercury
Rukis [1k\]: no
pete038861 [13k\]: its just that the game has chinese root which doesnt mean they are all good at go. however fact is they are good at calculation which has many to do with go
guapo [2k\]: i thoguht freddy mercury came from canada for a while
alienist [5k\]: gee-wonder if they can play baseball??
Rukis [1k\]: one idea of where it came from is were created from philosophers and 9points (9planets) 17x17 was "days in the year"
guapo [2k\]: why do you say they are good at calculation? 
Rukis [1k\]: dude o.o you have no idea
H2SO4 [5d?\]: well its values
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]C[H2SO4 [5d?\]: traditionally asians value grades and studying more than sports
Rukis [1k\]: Go ming ming~!
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;W[dp]C[Rukis [1k\]: this is true
pete038861 [13k\]: asians are good at calculation, but computer can do better nowadays
guapo [2k\]: asians are good at baseball
Terranigma [2k\]: Rukis: but 19*19 is a lot closer to 365 than 17*17
guapo [2k\]: really? lol
Rukis [1k\]: they started out 17x17
Herod [-\]: The game has started.  Enough with the ethnic/national generalizations now.
Rukis [1k\]: 4000 years ago
Rukis [1k\]: Yes sir :D
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;B[qp]C[Terranigma [2k\]: War was beginning
alienist [5k\]: the effect can't be the cause
Rukis [1k\]: man i cant play on my board now the stones feel so weird >.>
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;W[oq]C[pete038861 [13k\]: last, you dont try to bargain with an asian, thats part of calculation lol
pete038861 [13k\]: Im done now
Terranigma [2k\]: is p3 really big enough to give away the last corner. i always wonder.
eluusive [?\]: CAPTAIN: WHAT HAPPEN?
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;B[kp]C[Terranigma [2k\]: yes, that. :p
floating [2k\]: a 14 or 15 year old prodigy vs a pro girl... nice game
Terranigma [2k\]: SOME SET UP THE BOMB
Terranigma [2k\]: arg missed a word
alienist [5k\]: No kidding-good at baseball/;~}
eluusive [?\]: TERRANIGMA: IT"S YOU!
Rukis [1k\]: Mingming says no mini-chinese for you
Terranigma [2k\]: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN !!!
Herod [-\]: Terranigma be quiet please
Terranigma [2k\]: yes, sir. *sigh*
guapo [2k\]: when you use caps, you are shouting
Terranigma [2k\]: (that's the joke)
guapo [2k\]: it makes my ears hurt
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm white already with the kakari
AzureSea [4d\]: interesting
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;W[pn]C[eluusive [?\]: guapo: You have some strange ears.
guapo [2k\]: oh i know this one! p4
Rukis [1k\]: no taisha
Tzad [7k\]: What is a kakari?
eluusive [?\]: Zi Yang: You are on the way to destruction!
Rukis [1k\]: i think she will deviate
guapo [2k\]: kakari is a character from naruto
growl3r2 [9k?\]: fight is coming
Nosabe [-\]: corner approach move
pete038861 [13k\]: is this game different than any of kgs 9ds?
Terranigma [2k\]: all his bases are belong to w
AzureSea [4d\]: taisha@!
guapo [2k\]: all games are different
wurfmaul [2k\]: this game is slower than most KGS games
pete038861 [13k\]: slower lol
Rukis [1k\]: p4 o4 p5 q3 r5 r3 o5 
Rukis [1k\]: p4 o4 p5 q3 r5 o5 p6 r3 ?
Rukis [1k\]: oo
eluusive [?\]: Tengen.
Rukis [1k\]: p4 o4 p5 q3 r5 o5 r3 
Rukis [1k\]: strange :o
guapo [2k\]: b will play top left corner
pete038861 [13k\]: what are they thinking actually, 10000sims/mov?
wurfmaul [2k\]: i think black will cut
Rukis [1k\]: alot letss pete
Rukis [1k\]: alot less xD
Terranigma [2k\]: i think r6
AzureSea [4d\]: taisha taisha taisha
pete038861 [13k\]: so now two computers battling
Merlot [1k\]: P4 is the only move
Magnetar [8d\]: redgiant game?
Architect [2k\]: usualy to taisha , doesnt b need a stone in m4?
H2SO4 [5d?\]: is magnetar megalodon?
AzureSea [4d\]: well if b does p4 now
guapo [2k\]: ask him
AzureSea [4d\]: its taisha isnt it
Nosabe [-\]: zchen
H2SO4 [5d?\]: otherwise why would they both be logged on at the same time
Terranigma [2k\]: "blah" is "the only move". i hate it when  poeple say that. such hubris.
dogbert [3d\]: well, some chinese first names are hard to pronunce, starting with x or q etc etc:)
Magnetar [8d\]: yes
H2SO4 [5d?\]: a1 is the only move
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
Architect [2k\]: sure, if u want to resign
H2SO4 [5d?\]: or if you feel so confident you can beat them without it
Architect [2k\]: lol
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;B[gq]C[Architect [2k\]: that would be very offensive i think
pete038861 [13k\]: x< s, q< g
Terranigma [2k\]: oh no! he did NOT play the only move! resign!
H2SO4 [5d?\]: well architect
H2SO4 [5d?\]: if someone gets really annoying i tend to do that
H2SO4 [5d?\]: i would challenge them to a game
H2SO4 [5d?\]: and keep playing a1 a2 a3 a4 a5 a6 a7 
H2SO4 [5d?\]: until they get how annoying theyve been
Beetlebum [8k\]: lol
AzureSea [4d\]: he didn't p4 o.o
guapo [2k\]: what are you talking about
H2SO4 [5d?\]: i havent had to do that yet
Herod [-\]: Kindly confine comments to the game
H2SO4 [5d?\]: luckily because most ppl are ok
guapo [2k\]: when they think so much at the start it's because they havent seen this opening before
guapo [2k\]: i hope
Terranigma [2k\]: not necessarily
Magnetar [8d\]: redgiant
spacetime [3d\]: this is gonna b a crazy game
Wood44 [3k\]: go mingming
AzureSea [4d\]: is there any reason b didn't p4
Terranigma [2k\]: choice of opening can depend to a degee on the style of the opponent too, guapo.
pete038861 [13k\]: sun mingming yin mingming
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: my man yang!
pete038861 [13k\]: ming ming yang
spacetime [3d\]: ding ding
Magnetar [8d\]: you guys are crazt
Magnetar [8d\]: crazy
pete038861 [13k\]: ling ling
AzureSea [4d\]: hey magnetar cud u help lol
AzureSea [4d\]: why  didnt b p4
AzureSea [4d\]: why did he g3
guapo [2k\]: admins, ban that 8d !
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;W[cn]C[Megalodon [9d\]: it's Shark Week
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;B[po]C[HighStoner [5k\]: lol y u g3 me?
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;W[oo]
;B[qn]
;W[pm]
;B[qm]
;W[pl]
;B[ql]
;W[pk]C[pete038861 [13k\]: whats with all the moves suddenly
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;B[qj]C[spacetime [3d\]: joseki
guapo [2k\]: duh!
AzureSea [4d\]: well i guess this is okay
Nosabe [-\]: to counter w's wall
saspurs [2d?\]: w wall not of much use?
pete038861 [13k\]: I dont think they can put stone that fast O.o?
Rukis [1k\]: its possible actually lol
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: whats the follow up for using that wall?
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: j3?
pete038861 [13k\]: they made turtle moves at first and suddenly run like a rabbit
guapo [2k\]: top left
pete038861 [13k\]: mutation does happen
Terranigma [2k\]: is q4 aji keshi for w, or...?
Nosabe [-\]: should go to 4th corner now
Rukis [1k\]: yes and no terranigma
Rukis [1k\]: it fixes both aji
guapo [2k\]: nosabe, means dont know in spanish xD
Terranigma [2k\]: well, that's why ask..
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;W[iq]C[Tzad [7k\]: What is "keshi" ?
AzureSea [4d\]: white attack or top lef croner
AzureSea [4d\]: ah he attacked
AzureSea [4d\]: :D
AzureSea [4d\]: saw that coming lol
spacetime [3d\]: go mingming!
Terranigma [2k\]: feisty
Rukis [1k\]: "ajikeshii"
Wood44 [3k\]: perfect move
guapo [2k\]: wow, this is surprising
Rukis [1k\]: i dont like it
Matty [4d?\]: Keshi = reduction
guapo [2k\]: so bold
AzureSea [4d\]: i'd play this
AzureSea [4d\]: other wise
Rab [16k?\]: The uppder left corner keeps... staring at me. Please, end the suspense!
AzureSea [4d\]: that w wall
AzureSea [4d\]: is wasted
Architect [2k\]: i think that was b plan
Rukis [1k\]: well its kind of a have to play it
Architect [2k\]: lol
Terranigma [2k\]: literally, it "keshi" means "erasure" or "deletion"
Rukis [1k\]: but it was blacks plan
guapo [2k\]: it was w's plan
Matty [4d?\]: aji keshi = aji removal
seventeen [-\]: Admin asks you, to forcus on the game and not to make off-topic comversation. Also please keep your words in a line.
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: b is looking territorial
Architect [2k\]: na.. now b dont need territory, just erase w wall
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;B[ip]C[Terranigma [2k\]: you don't erase walls, you erase the gardens behind it
Tzad [7k\]: H4
Rukis [1k\]: h4 is bad
AzureSea [4d\]: k3?
Rukis [1k\]: i would yeah
Terranigma [2k\]: j3 doesn't make sense otherwise
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;W[jp]C[Terranigma [2k\]: nevermind ._.
AzureSea [4d\]: k4 lol
levye [5k\]: i wonder if this is going for a triangle shape for w like k4 k5 l5 
Wood44 [3k\]: no thanks
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: perfect move hehe
levye [5k\]: just fantasising
Terranigma [2k\]: b can just crosscut and live snugly there, no?
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: yeah then white has two walls faciing each other
wurfmaul [2k\]: k3 k5 l3?
sung [7k\]: w want another wall there
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: l5
Terranigma [2k\]: but b will not be closed in completely afaik
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: the j2
storm3001 [2k\]: k3 would be more normal?
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;B[jo]
;W[jq]
;B[hp]C[Tzad [7k\]: J5
Terranigma [2k\]: this looks worse for b than just cutting imo..
WuHoUnited [1k\]: but if black cut, white's stones would work well together
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: exactlyy
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: m3 or l3 hurry now lol
wurfmaul [2k\]: i heard black should only cut if he has both ladders, but I would have cut here (but I trust pros)
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;W[lr]
;B[no]C[Rukis [1k\]: ladders always leave forcing moves
Tzad [7k\]: Why is M2 better than l#?
Tzad [7k\]: L3
AzureSea [4d\]: p4
Rukis [1k\]: you allow black to fix
WuHoUnited [1k\]: l3 means that black can advance for free
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: cuz it leaves the cut
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: Missed datt
Wood44 [3k\]: q4
WuHoUnited [1k\]: this way white at least has potential at n4
Terranigma [2k\]: w can soon play at d10 and create a ladder blocker to enable the j5 cut threat
Rukis [1k\]: q4 p6 o4 p4 
AzureSea [4d\]: i'd p4 here
shellgame [22k?\]: kinda early for ko isnt it?
WuHoUnited [1k\]: why on earth would white not r5 in your variation
Marauder [2d?\]: it's never too early for ko =)
eluusive [?\]: AzureSea: Why P4 over Q4?
AzureSea [4d\]: well
Terranigma [2k\]: definitely p4. otherwise b might get sente at o4 later on
AzureSea [4d\]: it leaves b a peep at o4 later
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;W[pp]
;B[qo]C[AzureSea [4d\]: lol
Terranigma [2k\]: ...
midorisuke [4d\]: man
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;W[nn]
;B[np]C[midorisuke [4d\]: look how wrong you guys are
eluusive [?\]: Hehe
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;W[op]C[AzureSea [4d\]: well b got o4 now
AzureSea [4d\]: guess w thought this was okay
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;B[mn]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: yeah hes still out in front
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: does m5 work?
midorisuke [4d\]: also this way w has ko for life in the corner anytime she wants
midorisuke [4d\]: if she gets cut off somehow
levye [5k\]: i think b is happy with this game of flow
midorisuke [4d\]: that'd be weird
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;W[qq]C[midorisuke [4d\]: ok, i'm confused
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;B[rq]C[Terranigma [2k\]: r3 already? why?
midorisuke [4d\]: because it was sente, i guess?
Terranigma [2k\]: and why respond?
Terranigma [2k\]: what is this?
Wood44 [3k\]: life
shellgame [22k?\]: trench warfare
Wood44 [3k\]: prevent future attack
TheBellman [1d\]: aji around m2?
midorisuke [4d\]: i guess b has to respond because otherwise s4 becomes w sente
Terranigma [2k\]: why not play in the top left corner first and defend later?
TheBellman [1d\]: Neither player is really behind yet, right?
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
midorisuke [4d\]: i think b is ahead
AzureSea [4d\]: feel like k6 looks good for some reason xD
midorisuke [4d\]: w looks inefficient
Terranigma [2k\]: d10 is good too for w
TheBellman [1d\]: Black's middle stones might eventually have to live
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: d10
TheBellman [1d\]: Bam, knowledged.
midorisuke [4d\]: ok, but.. it looks not hard to live
midorisuke [4d\]: and w has spent a lot of moves and has a total of
midorisuke [4d\]: i don't know, 15 points?
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: white should d10 then hit the corner
AzureSea [4d\]: maybe d16 now
TheBellman [1d\]: G3 is more distant than normal, and this result can kind of be considered the bottom right result
AzureSea [4d\]: white's wall has been rendered useless
TheBellman [1d\]: Which should be swell for black
Herod [-\]: B has spent the same number of moves and has about the same number of points?
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: if white gets d10 for the ladder breaker, a splitting attack between two groups
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: if he doesnt fix
Merlot [1k\]: D17
braincrash [?\]: w needs a mv on bottom
AzureSea [4d\]: k6 or d16/d17
midorisuke [4d\]: i guess this is just the feeling i have
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: k6, l5?
TheBellman [1d\]: I'm just arbitrarily saying things.
Herod [-\]: Trust the players.  They are both pros, and doubt either is seriously behind.
braincrash [?\]: l5 perhaps
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;W[dk]C[midorisuke [4d\]: but i would not want to play this white
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ladddddder bbbbreeaker
Jake6500 [6k\]: Why not?
eluusive [?\]: A ladder breaker already?
spacetime [3d\]: b-b-b-b-breaker
midorisuke [4d\]: position feels uncomfortable
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: only way is wall profits right?
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: territory for the cut from the wall blk wanted to prevent
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
braincrash [?\]: o7 
midorisuke [4d\]: why hasn't black played o7?
midorisuke [4d\]: oh
midorisuke [4d\]: there's aji on the bottom
braincrash [?\]: o7 anyway
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: hows b gonna fix
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;B[nm]
;W[on]C[braincrash [?\]: n8 
Wood44 [3k\]: L7
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;B[em]C[AzureSea [4d\]: hm this is actually pretty even
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ddddoublee ladder breaker
iLAGalot [3k?\]: odd game
braincrash [?\]: cheap shot (my own desc)
Architect [2k\]: b is building the center
spacetime [3d\]: COUNTER BUh Buh buh breaakkkerrrrrrr
Terranigma [2k\]: i don't like e7. it looks half hearted
Marauder [2d?\]: black is trying to build a moyo in his moyo
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: whites got no moyo
spacetime [3d\]: F6
Pha [3d\]: he wants sente to take the empty corner.
midorisuke [4d\]: this is a weird game
Architect [2k\]: well, i prefer b here
midorisuke [4d\]: i don't think this is sente
WuHoUnited [1k\]: e7 not half-hearted, it has good follow-up
Terranigma [2k\]: namely?
WuHoUnited [1k\]: c7
WuHoUnited [1k\]: not now, but later
TheBellman [1d\]: It must be sente
TheBellman [1d\]: Because
AzureSea [4d\]: f9 now?
TheBellman [1d\]: Otherwise why did white play D9?
Terranigma [2k\]: but w can counter easily
Drakemite [7d\]: its funny how there are like 500 ppl watching broadcasting for euro congress but only like 150 ppl watching us congress
braincrash [?\]: g6 looks fun
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;W[dm]C[midorisuke [4d\]: i think it's not sente because b has to repsond
midorisuke [4d\]: to this
Terranigma [2k\]: exactly
TheBellman [1d\]: Oh, yep
WuHoUnited [1k\]: b doesn't need to respond because ladder still broken
TheBellman [1d\]: W's thickness is surging
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: with every stone his passion grows
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;B[cd]C[Terranigma [2k\]: but what did b gain by playing e7 if tenuki-ing now?
WuHoUnited [1k\]: take cotrner
midorisuke [4d\]: ladder breaker
WuHoUnited [1k\]: e7 broke lodder
Pha [3d\]: e7 breaks ladder in sente.
AzureSea [4d\]: now e16 :O
Pha [3d\]: To allow him to take the corner.
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: getts the corner
Pha [3d\]: Only reason you would ever see e7 would be to take sente.
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: white still has k6 reduction doe
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: but then his wall could die
Pha [3d\]: k6 not a reduction.
TheBellman [1d\]: E17?
midorisuke [4d\]: w wall can't die
WuHoUnited [1k\]: black does not have a wall
Pha [3d\]: An attack.
H2SO4 [5d?\]: Pha are you phi?
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: k6? l5 j5?
TheBellman [1d\]: Hm
braincrash [?\]: c16 is correct of course but a bit boring
Pha [3d\]: No.
TheBellman [1d\]: O17
Pha [3d\]: Second time I've heard that.
H2SO4 [5d?\]: lol similar name same rank
Pha [3d\]: Well, my main account is 4-5d.
AzureSea [4d\]: e16
braincrash [?\]: e17 is all ic
H2SO4 [5d?\]: so was phi
H2SO4 [5d?\]: l6
TheBellman [1d\]: I think white doesn't want to try playing directly around D9
AzureSea [4d\]: k7 looks nice too
AzureSea [4d\]: goo white
eboesch [1k\]: I'm not good at opening, but doesn't b's response to e17 further to the right make the top right corner+side too big?
eboesch [1k\]: so e17 not so great?
TheBellman [1d\]: And it might be too early to attack, my readying is wewak
]
;W[io]C[H2SO4 [5d?\]: atk first think l8r
AzureSea [4d\]: aha he attacked
AzureSea [4d\]: er
AzureSea [4d\]: she*
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
WuHoUnited [1k\]: of course if white doens't care about ladder breaker, i don't know why we went through this d9 sequence
]
;B[in]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: gonna l5 n push?
]
;W[jn]
;B[ho]
;W[ko]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: say waat
spacetime [3d\]: this is nasty
Pha [3d\]: The ladder breaker is important.
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: evill
Megalodon [9d\]: orgasmic
braincrash [?\]: k7 
Wood44 [3k\]: ^^
Wood44 [3k\]: the game begin !
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ddint even think about this!
H2SO4 [5d?\]: lol
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: wooo
rats [2d?\]: b has like no ko threats
guapo [2k\]: l6 only
braincrash [?\]: b has to consider l6 
WuHoUnited [1k\]: black gonna get wall!
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: blks gonna get destroyed right now
shellgame [22k?\]: what wall? where?
charkysan [-\]: could be a ko fight coming, even tho it is early in the game for ko
Megalodon [9d\]: Ohhh boy, here we go
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: whats blacks threat? 
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: he cant fill right
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: so!
TheBellman [1d\]: Sternly worded letter
braincrash [?\]: i agree with guapo
toffee [3d\]: w is tough.
charkysan [-\]: many of those b stones are "light" stones, so what's the worry?
Wood44 [3k\]: i'd m5..
TheBellman [1d\]: Nah, black played them
WuHoUnited [1k\]: i think he'll l6 j5 k7 
braincrash [?\]: the worry is b wants to get the most cash
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
WuHoUnited [1k\]: i think he's going to lose o5 in exchange fora  wall thing
charkysan [-\]: my guess is that b wanted to neutralize enough of w's influence in the bottom to keep him from getting a large moyo, and he can do that
charkysan [-\]: it's an  early reduction
TheBellman [1d\]: Black can't let himself be bullied endlessly here
braincrash [?\]: I agree WuHoUnited
TheBellman [1d\]: Also can't make a moyo
eboesch [1k\]: I don't see how b *just* gives up o5
WuHoUnited [1k\]: sometimes we don't have choices
braincrash [?\]: what good is o5 ?
marzo [6k\]: it was whites claim so black just needs some of it
]
;B[jm]
;W[io]
;B[dq]C[AzureSea [4d\]:  ignore
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: fill
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: or l7
TheBellman [1d\]: W can't in good conscience ignore I think
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: l7
TheBellman [1d\]: Because then black got the corner and is alive and out to the centre
braincrash [?\]: no he cant just abandon his first stone
TheBellman [1d\]: braincrash is an elegant and refined gentleperson
eboesch [1k\]: yeah, if w is forced to L6 then b is OK
WuHoUnited [1k\]: if white responds, he sort of commits himself for a few moves
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: he did this ko for an attack on the stones to the right
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: she*
emre06 [9k\]: final match?
Drakemite [7d\]: ya this is Ing Masters FInal
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
braincrash [?\]: its hard to see how d3 is good but even harder to see anything bad about it
TheBellman [1d\]: It is easy, W cannot win the ko any more.
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: bottom white is 26pts at worst if he caps all b
braincrash [?\]: possible epiphany for me
xedover [?\]: The players are playing on a signed board (signed by them, and the professional commentators in the other room - Takamiya, and MyungWan Kim)
charkysan [-\]: why is it hard to see?  it probes w's intentions (take corner or attack b), it may help b broaden his base, it threatens to take the corner, and it may help strengthen b's h5 group
WuHoUnited [1k\]: does the winner get the board?
xedover [?\]: The board was donated by Yutopian, and will be auctioned off, the proceeds going to the AGF
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: charkysan! :D
Herod [-\]: The board gets auctioned off
]
;W[cq]
;B[jo]C[braincrash [?\]: its easier to see now that he played it, just not a move i would have considered
WuHoUnited [1k\]: white deosn't have that good ko threats
charkysan [-\]: multipurpose move.  potential cash as well as a ko threat
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: i didnt think it was big enough
Tzad [7k\]: W just L6 ?
braincrash [?\]: w cant allow b to get so thick i think
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: tenuki!
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: :D
braincrash [?\]: l6 is the only threat ic
charkysan [-\]: if w responded, you can bet it was big enough
WuHoUnited [1k\]: l6 isn't a threat
braincrash [?\]: i no longer agree with WoHoUnited...
WuHoUnited [1k\]: :(
]
;W[kn]C[WuHoUnited [1k\]: noooooooo
]
;B[km]C[braincrash [?\]: :)
TheBellman [1d\]: Just declare that black has been playing on dame
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: tenuki now
WuHoUnited [1k\]: still don't think it was a threat
]
;W[io]C[braincrash [?\]: lol
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: hmm makes sense
Tzad [7k\]: M5
Tzad [7k\]: or M6
WuHoUnited [1k\]: m5 would be a disaster
Euphony [3k\]: this doesn't look good for white
WuHoUnited [1k\]: they're both fine
braincrash [?\]: b has the problem of too many good moves to choose
charkysan [-\]: l6 was only a threat because w is determined to split the b groups, i guess
eboesch [1k\]: split isn't going to happen
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: j7 enough?
eboesch [1k\]: (unless you count the small change at o6)
TheBellman [1d\]: L6 was a defensive move
TheBellman [1d\]: I vote black can totally play D5
TheBellman [1d\]: He has my blessing
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: so whites gonna split be no mater what 
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: bee
braincrash [?\]: yes but costly
braincrash [?\]: j7 i guess
]
;B[eq]C[WuHoUnited [1k\]: well, nobody saw that coming
]
;W[im]C[braincrash [?\]: w takes my spot
Megalodon [9d\]: e3
Megalodon [9d\]: wowq so greedy
]
;B[hn]
;W[il]C[braincrash [?\]: looks like w gets more to me 
guapo [2k\]: m6
]
;B[jo]
;W[lp]C[WuHoUnited [1k\]: m6 worse than m5 in't it?
braincrash [?\]: m7 too painful so tenuki
guapo [2k\]: i meant 2 moves ago
]
;B[jk]C[spacetime [4d\]: this game is awesome
Eduardo [2k\]: yes
guapo [2k\]: why
xedover [?\]: Takamiya is doing commentary on this game right now on usgo10
guapo [2k\]: why isnt he commenting here?
guapo [2k\]: i would've m5 as b
]
;W[jl]
;B[kl]C[rats [2d?\]: oh, i thought it was a bit strange that i saw the commentary start for this game already
]
;W[kk]C[spacetime [4d\]: she just took it to 11
guapo [2k\]: 11 what
WuHoUnited [1k\]: it's nice that takemiya aggrees with kibitzers more than black
]
;B[lk]
;W[kj]
;B[jj]C[guapo [2k\]: looks risky
]
;W[ll]
;B[lm]C[Merlot [1k\]: W?7
]
;W[hk]
;B[ml]C[guapo [2k\]: now b looks good
WuHoUnited [1k\]: c2 soon?
WuHoUnited [1k\]: after we figure out l9 vs k10 
guapo [2k\]: b can attack h9 an run
]
;W[ji]
;B[cr]C[guapo [2k\]: :)
Eduardo [2k\]:  i did want ask to takemiya :(
Merlot [1k\]: intense game
gobugobu [7d\]: j10 is honte
]
;W[ki]C[guapo [2k\]: what is honte
braincrash [?\]: hard to argue
gobugobu [7d\]: However, balance-wise, W has to make a litle more territory
Eduardo [2k\]: honte is net?
Eduardo [2k\]: :/
FlameBlade [-\]: j10 would just make it a lot easier to take over the top.
Rukis [1k\]: no...
gobugobu [7d\]: 'honest move'
FlameBlade [-\]: or fight or something
guapo [2k\]: n10 is no net, so no
guapo [2k\]: j10
Merlot [1k\]: L11 is weird
Rukis [1k\]: no it isnt
guapo [2k\]: i dont like it
braincrash [?\]: l11 is fighting
WuHoUnited [1k\]: l11 not so weird, he doesn't want peeping going on
Terranigma [2k\]: i'd rather say that honte is "normal move"
gobugobu [7d\]: l11 is not 100% honte - B still has some aji from k10. l11 attacks m9 slightly
braincrash [?\]: only slightly?
gobugobu [7d\]: B needs to play at o9 to make absolute life
Rukis [1k\]: it says im going to take an eye
Rukis [1k\]: be prepared
braincrash [?\]: o10 q10 argh
gobugobu [7d\]: However, maybe B will play n11 or m11 m12 n12 
guapo [2k\]: n11 was my first thought
FlameBlade [-\]: if black tries to pull it out, white can net.
FlameBlade [-\]: pull two stones, in the middle, that is
gobugobu [7d\]: problem is W has many sente moves around q10 r11 q11 etc
rats [2d?\]: sounds like the other guy interjects quite a bit during the commentary
Rukis [1k\]: o9 and make life..
Eduardo [2k\]: o9 is slow
guapo [2k\]: maybe b could q10
WuHoUnited [1k\]: takemiya wanted j10 before too
braincrash [?\]: Rukis u should be higher than 1k
]
;B[lo]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: isnt m5 sente?
guapo [2k\]: at last
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ^_^
Rukis [1k\]: if black makes life now
gobugobu [7d\]: M5 is to prevent W from connecting there
Rukis [1k\]: you mean connecting at n5
]
;W[io]C[Herod [-\]: n5 would have been a donation
Terranigma [2k\]: why k5 instead of l3?
guapo [2k\]: why not
Terranigma [2k\]: *j5
gobugobu [7d\]: if W n5, B m5 worls
gobugobu [7d\]: works
Rukis [1k\]: i know
Eduardo [2k\]: yes
Eduardo [2k\]: double atari
braincrash [?\]: k5 is 0.5 better than l3 
Rukis [1k\]: i realise that now
gobugobu [7d\]: j5 is not interesting
gobugobu [7d\]: just an extra ko threat
Terranigma [2k\]: l3 seems like a better reduction of opponent's ko threats than j5 to me
gobugobu [7d\]: Yes...
Merlot [1k\]: j5 is ? move
braincrash [?\]: q10 , not sure
Herod [-\]: j5 is one point more though
Tzad [7k\]: E17
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: o9
guapo [2k\]: n11
Rukis [1k\]: better to o10
Herod [-\]: pros will struggle for every single point
Rukis [1k\]: o10 stil protects the cuts
gobugobu [7d\]: o10 might be better but leaves more aji on the table
Rukis [1k\]: false eye cuts
rats [2d?\]: black definately should get out of there
Rukis [1k\]: thats true
Rukis [1k\]: well if he just lives
Rukis [1k\]: he wont have to worry
braincrash [?\]: o9 seems better than running
Rukis [1k\]: and white wont surround a living group
Merlot [1k\]: o3
Snova1987a [9k\]: will B be able to though?
guapo [2k\]: o9 is the one then
]
;B[nk]C[Rukis [1k\]: haha
Rukis [1k\]: I guessed it first :P
braincrash [?\]: we win
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: yuppps
gobugobu [7d\]: yes but if o9, W can later play n10 
Rukis [1k\]: n10 m10 m11 n9 o11 i guess lol
guapo [2k\]: q10
gobugobu [7d\]: Pros like the 'honte' (honest move) that leaves the least aji
]
;W[ec]C[Rukis [1k\]: well depends on which pros your talking about
guapo [2k\]: so whos winning
]
;B[df]C[gobugobu [7d\]: c13 or d15 are probably the smartest moves
gobugobu [7d\]: c17 b17 d16 c15 c13 is entirely possible now
braincrash [?\]: i had to wait long time for e17 
gobugobu [7d\]: c17 b17 d16 c15 c12 maybe
Terranigma [2k\]: gobugobu is right. that's what the pros says all the time on the japanese go (and shogi) channel at my place.
Terranigma [2k\]: (about honte) and leaving aji.
guapo [2k\]: who wouldnt like to erase aji?
gobugobu [7d\]: well, there is a fine line between honte and efficiency.
braincrash [?\]: d12, w style?
Terranigma [2k\]: it depends on whether the stakes are likely to increase or decrease. just like poker.
]
;W[ch]C[gobugobu [7d\]: Sometimes, you have to take the less than honte move because you are behind, etc.
braincrash [?\]: missed :(
guapo [2k\]: w will help e17 somehow
gobugobu [7d\]: c12 is too easy for B
gobugobu [7d\]: d17 e16 c13 d12 f14 
braincrash [?\]: b was locally ahead so w cant make it too hard
guapo [2k\]: i dont like c13
leffy [3d\]: get over it:)
Merlot [1k\]: D17
Terranigma [2k\]: q10 looks big
gobugobu [7d\]: d17 e16 c14 is possible too
USGO10 [-\]: Takemiya will take a look at the Strong Players Open game.
Merlot [1k\]: C14 is not good
guapo [2k\]: b will do something like k16 after
gobugobu [7d\]: Maybe B is thinking of f16 or so
gobugobu [7d\]: But since W is strong in the center, it is not advisable to fight there for B
gobugobu [7d\]: e.g. h17 c17 b17 d16 c15 c18 is bad for B
Eduardo [2k\]: g16
guapo [2k\]: d17
WuHoUnited [1k\]: d17 
TheSquink [9k\]: Strong Players Open game?
guapo [2k\]: USGO8
braincrash [?\]: suck it up and play d17 
Freak [2k\]: im at the go congress right now
Freak [2k\]: lol
]
;B[dc]
;W[ed]C[Freak [2k\]: and im was watching the takemiya commentary
]
;B[cg]C[guapo [2k\]: now   k16
]
;W[dh]
;B[ff]C[Merlot [1k\]: nice
guapo [2k\]: wow exactly like gobugobu said
braincrash [?\]: h16 h17 j16 or j17 ?
]
;W[ic]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: no fearr
braincrash [?\]: i would h17 but i have fear
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: l17 j15 r17? :D
Merlot [1k\]: O17
]
;B[nc]C[eluusive [?\]: Nice one merlot
gobugobu [7d\]: B q10 is very small, btw
guapo [2k\]: b looks ahead
Eduardo [2k\]: ahead a lot
WuHoUnited [1k\]: you counted?
WuHoUnited [1k\]: or just guessing
gobugobu [7d\]: w will now invade at s16 or r16 
guapo [2k\]: let's count!
braincrash [?\]: r17 time?
braincrash [?\]: no r16 
WuHoUnited [1k\]: probably not r17, why ko when you can live
Merlot [1k\]: R16 or S16
charkysan [-\]: if you do your estimate count after w's move, which is only fair to make sure they both have the same number of moves, you can see that w is ahead
braincrash [?\]: r17 livesw/o ko
Potter117 [9k\]: ko is fun. adds more excitement.
gobugobu [7d\]: as you can see, B can use k5 as a ko threat. Therefore, j5 at l3 was better
eluusive [?\]: charkysan: Leave your logic out of this!
guapo [2k\]: why is k5 a ko threat?
rats [2d?\]: k5 as a ko threat wouldn't agree with the o9 idea
Eduardo [2k\]: b + 48-52
gobugobu [7d\]: I am not sure I agree that W is ahead
guapo [2k\]: b has more than that i think
Eduardo [2k\]: w + 34-38 + komi
gobugobu [7d\]: B threatens l17 next. But W defends with e18 in sente
gobugobu [7d\]: For example, if there is a ko for the e3 group, B k5 will be a ko threat for W
WuHoUnited [1k\]: gobugobu better commenter than takemiya
gobugobu [7d\]: For BLACK, of course
guapo [2k\]: lol yes
]
;W[cp]C[eluusive [?\]: hm
gobugobu [7d\]: W now needs to invade B's largest area, which is around s16 or r16 or r17 
]
;B[br]C[USSRMan [3d\]: b2 is huge
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: beat him having the whole thing in sente i guess
gobugobu [7d\]: c4 b2 exchange can be thought of as kikashi (forcing move)
guapo [2k\]: b knows he's ahead
Eduardo [2k\]: yes, b ahead, anyway... but i've counted according to aga rules , though :/
USSRMan [3d\]: is aga 8.5 komi?
Eduardo [2k\]: i'vent
Eduardo [2k\]: 7.5
gobugobu [7d\]: I think the game is very close, because W will play s16 or r16 now
WuHoUnited [1k\]: AGA komi too complicated, even Matthew had trouble with it
Eduardo [2k\]: with s16 ...b ~+4.5
guapo [2k\]: i get the same xD
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: I got white ahead with komi
gobugobu [7d\]: If W has a lot of ko threats, he can play r17 r16 s16 s15 s18 or even r17 r16 q17 p17 s16 s15 s18 - B will almost certainly start a ko with t16 next. Does W have enough ko threats?
gobugobu [7d\]: s16 r16 s15 s17 s18 r17 r12 and W has a weak group, and B can extend to l17 
gobugobu [7d\]: so r17 is the most severe
Eduardo [2k\]: r17 and ko...hmm, i like 
gobugobu [7d\]: if r16 r17 r15 s17 q15 p16 r12 l17 is ok for B
Snova1987a [9k\]: come on invade already!
guapo [2k\]: i vote for s16
indianayk [4d\]: is m17 too slow?
Eduardo [2k\]: w can to win the ko, and ahead + solid shape on corner, but j17 group?
gobugobu [7d\]: Well, if B doesn't accept the ko challange, he can just defend at r14 or extend to l17 after w s18 (see my earlier variation)
trulia: s16
]
;W[ef]C[rats [2d?\]: e14 eh
USSRMan [3d\]: conventional wisdom says this is a 20k move
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: hehe this is interesting
Eduardo [2k\]: this is nice :o
Eduardo [2k\]: r17 next
selahaddin [7k\]: how many komi?
gobugobu [7d\]: if e13 d13 e15 d16 c17 c14 hmmmmm
Nosabe [-\]: e15
trulia: r17 seems overplay, s16 is better
USGO1 [-\]: time: b 33 min; w 25 min
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ty usGO1
selahaddin [7k\]: komi???????????????????????????????????????????
braincrash [?\]: e15 e13 d15 
eluusive [?\]: 7.5
Eduardo [2k\]: 7.5 
gobugobu [7d\]: anyway B has no choice
Eduardo [2k\]: nops
Eduardo [2k\]: d15 isnt good
selahaddin [7k\]: thx
gobugobu [7d\]: e13 d13 e15 d16 c17 c14 c15 b13 d15 
eluusive [?\]: selahaddin: you could easily figure that out for yourself by looking at the game info
selahaddin [7k\]: i checked it 
eluusive [?\]: Did you go to the "Rules" tab?
Eduardo [2k\]: c17? o.o
trulia: b l17
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: man whats b gonna do
Eduardo [2k\]: wait, i cant read c17 xd
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: this is tough
eluusive [?\]: E13 seems so obvious...  Strange move.
selahaddin [7k\]: no i did not,  lets talk about this whole day. 
Eduardo [2k\]: a empty triangle, maybe xd
trulia: b plays tennuki
Eduardo [2k\]: tenuki isnt good here :/
eluusive [?\]: heh
braincrash [?\]: my bet is b atari
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: h14?
]
;B[eg]
;W[ee]
;B[dg]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: cuttt
]
;W[bg]
;B[bf]
;W[fg]C[eluusive [?\]: bogg
]
;B[eh]C[peakoil [3d\]: e15 was better
]
;W[gg]C[gobugobu [7d\]: W doesn't get much here
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: now m17 is big for white
gobugobu [7d\]: e11 d10 h13 
]
;B[kc]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: so he counters!
Eduardo [2k\]: but w can to attack now
gobugobu [7d\]: l17 is at least as big as f13 and g13 
Eduardo [2k\]: but g13 gote was ...:/
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: that black enclosure is lookin huge doe
gobugobu [7d\]: Please, don't discuss sente/gote - it is pretty much a meaningless discussion.
]
;W[md]C[Eduardo [2k\]: ok gobu, but after g13, l17 was expected :/
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: hehe nice
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: this is perfect for white
gobugobu [7d\]: n16 is good, this makes B h13 impossible
gobugobu [7d\]: m18 now?
gobugobu [7d\]: if n17 l16 m16 m15 m17 k16 is good for W
Eduardo [2k\]: m18...good gobu! :D
Eduardo [2k\]: i didnt see
Eduardo [2k\]: it
gobugobu [7d\]: of course B can play l15 n17 o18 but W n10 is sente and W has sente moves at q10 and r11 so W is very strong in the center.
Eduardo [2k\]: l15 is risk, :/
Eduardo [2k\]: b ahead, a solid move is fine
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: he wont be after the next sequence
charkysan [-\]: gobugobu, it is very good to have 7d comments.  we don't often see such in regular games.  thanks
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: m18 doesnt prevent white from getting the center tho
gobugobu [7d\]: Let's try to count if B plays n17 l16 m16 m15 m17 k16 r15 , ok?
Eduardo [2k\]: i too :), i've learned a lot with gobu
]
;B[mc]C[trulia: b l16 is heavy
Eduardo [2k\]: ok l16 now
gobugobu [7d\]: I'd see B has about 65 pnts then.
indianayk [4d\]: mingming likes to play thick
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: white l16 b tenuki
gobugobu [7d\]: And W would have less than 60 + komi. So the game would be close.
trulia: l16 k17
shellgame [22k?\]: 60?? where?
Eduardo [2k\]: w l16 b tenuki sounds playable :/, b + 5.5
Eduardo [2k\]: anyway
]
;W[qd]C[Eduardo [2k\]: m16 first if w l16
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: gotta change the strat hehe
]
;B[qe]C[gobugobu [7d\]: this is quite good for W
Eduardo [2k\]: cut!!
gobugobu [7d\]: but before n16 n17 exchange, almost certainly B would have answered r16 at r17 
Eduardo [2k\]: q17?
gobugobu [7d\]: B is now aiming for r15 s15 oops, can B play s16 r17 s17 after that?
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie stepped away from the table before Matthew's move
gobugobu [7d\]: w can also play q17 p16 s17 s15 p18 but what about r18 r17 s18 t18 s19 later?
braincrash [?\]: call her back
USGO1 [-\]: she returns, glances aat her clock and begins to study the board
growl3r3 [-\]: ckock reads?
gobugobu [7d\]: So n16 n17 before r16 looks like a slight overplay
Eduardo [2k\]: but gobu
growl3r3 [-\]: clock*
Eduardo [2k\]: w can sacrifice q17 after
Eduardo [2k\]: :/
gobugobu [7d\]: how?
Megalodon [9d\]: impressive play so far by W
USGO1 [-\]: w 17 min, b 23 min
Megalodon [9d\]: F14 really>
growl3r3 [-\]: thx
gobugobu [7d\]: you mean s15 s16 r17 s17 q15 r14 q17 p16 s14 - that's good for B
gobugobu [7d\]: f14 might have been better at f15 or c14 
growl3r3 [-\]: who leads currently megalo?
Eduardo [2k\]: yes
Eduardo [2k\]: thx gobu
]
;W[re]
;B[rd]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]C[Eduardo [2k\]: hmmm
trulia: w seems dead
braincrash [?\]: q15 r14 p16 
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ya the push through then to the cap l16
Eduardo [2k\]: w can to reduce :/ and to play l16 next
gobugobu [7d\]: w q15 r14 q17 p16 s18 s14 t17 t15 r19 - W can live but that is very bad
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: yeah
]
;W[pe]
;B[qf]
;W[pc]
;B[od]
;W[rb]
;B[rf]
;W[sc]
;B[se]C[Eduardo [2k\]: :/
gobugobu [7d\]: o:O
Snova1987a [9k\]: W barely lives but gifts B
]
;W[qa]C[BongoBob [5k?\]: lol
gobugobu [7d\]: q18 p18 p17 r18 is sente now
trulia: lol
trulia: b seems better
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: be is amazing right now
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ;[
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: beee
gobugobu [7d\]: b j16 h17 k16 looks good now
gobugobu [7d\]: but what about j16 k16 k17 j15 h16 h17 
evave [5k\]: j16 
Eduardo [2k\]: q18   first sounds fine
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: save it for ko!
]
;B[je]C[gobugobu [7d\]: so maybe q18 p18 p17 r18 l15 or k15 is good enough
trulia: here we go
gobugobu [7d\]: nothing to go
]
;W[ie]C[gobugobu [7d\]: is j14 possible now?
Eduardo [2k\]: hmm
Eduardo [2k\]: not, i think
gobugobu [7d\]: if j14 k16 l16 k14 l15 k13 ?
]
;B[jf]C[gobugobu [7d\]: p11 ?
braincrash [?\]: w chasing
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: k16 first?
Eduardo [2k\]: o11
braincrash [?\]: might as well spend q10 
]
;W[if]
;B[jd]C[gobugobu [7d\]: b12 is quite big for later, but right now the area around o13 is urgent
]
;W[id]C[Eduardo [2k\]: p11
]
;B[bh]
;W[bi]
;B[ag]C[Eduardo [2k\]: :o, truth
gobugobu [7d\]: B defended in sente, then took the huge endgame move at b12 
gobugobu [7d\]: This move is worth maybe around 15 pnts
braincrash [?\]: doesnt j14 claim lead?
trulia: b seem ahead, b will wins
]
;W[pj]
;B[qi]
;W[mj]C[gobugobu [7d\]: the n16 n17 r16 combi didn't work out
]
;B[mg]C[Eduardo [2k\]: w can to win  still
gobugobu [7d\]: q10 and n10 are not sufficiently urgent
gobugobu [7d\]: n13 is huge
braincrash [?\]: w+8
gobugobu [7d\]: but w gets to play a sente move around n12 n9 o13 now
]
;W[ng]C[gobugobu [7d\]: maybe at o13 right away
Eduardo [2k\]: o13 :o
gobugobu [7d\]: because it leaves more aji in the position
braincrash [?\]: why isnt n9 needed?
gobugobu [7d\]: w o12 is sente, too
Eduardo [2k\]: beacuse b is alive
gobugobu [7d\]: if W n9 o10 n11 o11 and B escapes
]
;B[mh]C[evave [5k\]: m6  is huge too
Eduardo [2k\]: b have miai
braincrash [?\]: thx
gobugobu [7d\]: n11 n9 o12 n14 looks fine for B
gobugobu [7d\]: so is w o14 possible?
trulia: n9 p8 simple
braincrash [?\]: so its gotta go o10 n9 o12 
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: o14 o12 right?
gobugobu [7d\]: yes, so o14 is not possible now.
evave [5k\]: oh m idiot
gobugobu [7d\]: I think q10 was an amateur move
gobugobu [7d\]: better at p11 
]
;W[ni]
;B[jo]C[braincrash [?\]: it was a pro mv by def
trulia: false ko 
Eduardo [2k\]: it isnt false
gobugobu [7d\]: yes, but not pro level
braincrash [?\]: o12 
gobugobu [7d\]: pros can play amateur level moves and vice versa
Eduardo [2k\]: amateur can play hoshi, an universal move xd
gobugobu [7d\]: of even tengen
]
;W[kq]C[gobugobu [7d\]: or
]
;B[mk]C[braincrash [?\]: o12 p12 or p13 ?
gobugobu [7d\]: o12 o14 p14 o15 l13 
braincrash [?\]: p14 ...
trulia: q13
gobugobu [7d\]: or k13 l13 l12 later
Eduardo [2k\]: p14, then cut
academia [5d\]: Based on recent moves, I believe Black will win. 
trulia: yes
]
;W[of]
;B[nf]C[gobugobu [7d\]: o14 is best now
Eduardo [2k\]: yes
Merlot [1k\]: B is leading by3-5 pts
gobugobu [7d\]: o14 n14 o12 o15 p12 W dies
academia [5d\]: White recently many pointless moves.
]
;W[nh]
;B[mf]
;W[cj]C[Eduardo [2k\]: lol
gobugobu [7d\]: the W top right corner group is too small.
]
;B[qr]C[academia [5d\]: Just look at Q10, O11, O12, O13
gobugobu [7d\]: and in the end n16 n17 exchange has turned out to become mochikomi (loss without compensation
Eduardo [2k\]: b + 6.5
gobugobu [7d\]: B should exchange q11 for p11 probably - but he wants to play it as a ko threat?
gobugobu [7d\]: w j5 is a ko threat or B m6 is a small ko threat now
braincrash [?\]:  w got compensated at j16 wall, prob not enough tho
academia [5d\]: White should have played S2 before C10
braincrash [?\]: w owes lotta moves
Eduardo [2k\]: q2 :/
academia [5d\]: White lost many ko opportunities in the middle
phub: b+
]
;W[fo]C[Eduardo [2k\]: ??
academia [5d\]: F2
]
;B[ep]C[braincrash [?\]: not b f6 ?
]
;W[eo]C[academia [5d\]: This is an easy trick
braincrash [?\]: o i was tricked
trulia: o3
]
;B[pr]
;W[mp]
;B[mo]
;W[nq]
;B[gm]C[braincrash [?\]: points slipsliding away
johnny [5k\]: W d18, then b3
]
;W[eb]C[USGO1 [-\]: w in overtime
academia [5d\]: Black leads at least 12 points
]
;B[jb]
;W[ib]C[academia [5d\]: There's a hidden move at Q3
academia [5d\]: Q18
johnny [5k\]: doesn
trulia: p18 better
johnny [5k\]: t W need p18?
]
;B[bq]C[criatura [1d\]: and d18 D: ? 
academia [5d\]: White should take Black's corner
]
;W[cb]
;B[bo]C[criatura [1d\]: ignore again XD !
academia [5d\]: This is a mistake for Black.
gobugobu [7d\]: b17 
]
;W[bn]C[academia [5d\]: Yes
gobugobu [7d\]: or b4 a4 b17 
]
;B[el]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: f11?
gobugobu [7d\]: B is aiming at b4 a4 b17 and then B will play d8 c8 d6 c7 d5 hahaha
]
;W[dl]
;B[bc]C[gobugobu [7d\]: W has about 60 pnts (incl. komi) and B has about 65 pnts
gobugobu [7d\]: But Wg11 is worth something
]
;W[jc]C[gobugobu [7d\]: I think B should play h11 ASAP
]
;B[jg]C[gobugobu [7d\]: k13 eliminates any possibilities w gets territory around h12 
kgsjdh [1k\]: a big mistake by either player could decide the game
johnny [5k\]: B q11 forces, or else B p13
academia [5d\]: L18 is Black's bait for White
kgsjdh [1k\]: I feel a mistake coming!
]
;W[bb]C[gobugobu [7d\]: 劣り
johnny [5k\]: ???
trulia: lol
peakoil [3d\]: p18
trulia: yeah
trulia: b ps8 first
trulia: p18
kgsjdh [1k\]: h2 is huge!
gobugobu [7d\]: q18 p18 p17 r18 is the normal tesuji
]
;B[or]C[gobugobu [7d\]: so if l18 m18 k19 B will implement.... q18 p18 p17 r18 p19 q19 o19 o18 n19 and W dies
gobugobu [7d\]: so W l18 m18 k19 kills the top right corner
trulia: w c17
kgsjdh [1k\]: they are going after details - not focused on big moves!  Too emotional
]
;W[qk]
;B[rk]
;W[hr]
;B[gr]C[academia [5d\]: Black is very likely to win the game
johnny [5k\]: g1
peakoil [3d\]: wow gobu thanks for showing us that sequence!
]
;W[oe]C[gobugobu [7d\]: One thing I don't understand is that W is behind fairlt clearly. So W's last chance was to play at q2 to start a ko which could have caused consternation.
gobugobu [7d\]: p15 is a good move because next p17 becomes sente, which means W can capture at l18 next
peakoil [3d\]: but black sees it so what will he do?
criatura [1d\]: o16 is bad ? 
chenccc1 [3k\]: B P17 should be better?
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: ya p17 for sente
gobugobu [7d\]: p13 q13 p12 q12 p11 q11 p10 q14 is not an option
phub: no
trulia: p17 i think
trulia: p18
aussiemate [9k\]: is that what is known as as empty triangle?
]
;B[oc]C[chenccc1 [3k\]: ye, p17 then o15
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: p17 q18
gobugobu [7d\]: No, it's called GUZUMI
Beetlebum [8k\]: pros can play what they want xD
]
;W[ob]
;B[pb]C[gobugobu [7d\]: it's the apex of the empty triangle.
]
;W[qb]C[aussiemate [9k\]: so anyone can!
]
;B[nb]
;W[oa]
;B[na]
;W[pa]
;B[pg]
;W[og]
;B[ne]C[chenccc1 [3k\]: how c17 for W?
]
;W[cc]
;B[bd]C[peakoil [3d\]: nice call chen
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: mm this puts white back in it
]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]C[judicata [2d\]: seems really close
chenccc1 [3k\]: b4 for W
gobugobu [7d\]: o2 and l18 looks best
curving [1k\]: l18
trulia: h3 first
johnny [5k\]: W j12
]
;W[ol]C[momNdead: b c5
]
;B[ln]C[gobugobu [7d\]: m6 first
Eduardo [2k\]: b + 8.5
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: j5
gobugobu [7d\]: j5 gives B an extra ko threat
shellgame [22k?\]: couldnt m6
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: white needs the point 
]
;W[io]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: o8 next then tenuki
academia [5d\]: It's surprising that a Chinese pro, LI, Cong (3p) competes in the U.S. open and the Strong Players Open
shellgame [22k?\]: w couldnt, b needed to . i get it :)
]
;B[lj]C[TrowaTreiz [3k\]: hehe offensive minded guy ^_^
academia [5d\]: That person even lost two games in teh U.S. Open.
judicata [2d\]: other pros have done htat
gobugobu [7d\]: m11 n11 o10 q11 p11 and in the meanwhile k5 
]
;W[li]
;B[jo]C[academia [5d\]: But he is a representative sent to U.S. Go Congress from China.
]
;W[kp]
;B[mi]C[trulia: j12
peakoil [3d\]: q11
shellgame [22k?\]: why do you find that surprising?
]
;W[nj]
;B[nl]C[chenccc1 [3k\]: if i were W, i will go j12
criatura [1d\]: if j12 b g11 
curving [1k\]: b4
]
;W[pi]C[johnny [5k\]: i called j12 ten moves ago
]
;B[ih]C[curving [1k\]: timing is more important than placemtnt
shellgame [22k?\]: is that proverb? should be
curving [1k\]: no cuz even it has exceptions
]
;W[ii]C[shellgame [22k?\]: oh? no proverb has exceptions?
]
;B[hh]C[shellgame [22k?\]: best one is dont go fishing when house on fire
johnny [5k\]: : )
peakoil [3d\]: Has everyone seen the new Play More Go promotional video? It's very good.
curving [1k\]: fishing for water might be appropriate
]
;W[gj]
;B[hg]C[Beetlebum [8k\]: yep it was good
momNdead: whats tha website?
growl3r2 [-\]: link?
BigDoug [-\]: please keep the comments about this game
peakoil [3d\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doX5kKAgXk8
peakoil [3d\]: It's worth seeing.
]
;W[gf]C[peakoil [3d\]: ok
]
;B[hf]
;W[he]C[curving [1k\]: it's about go good grief
]
;B[dd]C[curving [1k\]: i'm watching it now
]
;W[db]C[BongoBob [5k?\]: curving, he means this specific match..
momNdead: Big Intolerant Doug
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: godd whats the biggest move right now
CrazyIsumi [2k\]: How much time remaining for players ?  its quite late there now 10 20 no ? 
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: b l18? a6?
johnny [5k\]: W has many forcing moves, and the lead
tttttttt: i think b leads
academia [5d\]: Yes, by at least 10 points
curving [1k\]: sending a message moderator?
johnny [5k\]: W b4 fixes a few loose ends, forces
]
;B[bp]C[tttttttt: resign is proper
curving [1k\]: time for burningman . . . learn to chill
johnny [5k\]: plenty of go left
]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]
;W[ja]
;B[hi]
;W[fk]
;B[hj]
;W[ij]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]
;B[ei]
;W[dj]
;B[hq]
;W[ir]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]C[tttttttt: no need to watch now
]
;B[lh]C[david12lu [7d?\]: black wins 
]
;W[pf]
;B[qg]C[david12lu [7d?\]: at least ithank so
TrowaTreiz [3k\]: f4
gobugobu [7d\]: l12 l13 q14 r13 f4 f3 g1 f1 h1 a18 a11 a12 d15 c15 etc
]
;W[kh]
;B[kg]C[Berham [9k\]: W resign
]
;W[fp]C[johnny [5k\]: B only a few pts ahead...
]
;B[fq]C[ssaw [1d?\]: b + 5.5
]
;W[gs]
;B[fs]
;W[hs]C[frostwind [4k\]: a18
USGO1 [-\]: b in overtime
]
;B[ai]
;W[aj]C[academia [5d\]: Black leads 18 points.
]
;B[ak]
;W[ah]
;B[ek]C[david12lu [7d?\]: white didnt resign
academia [5d\]: Any KGS 1d can win the game if he/she is Black
criatura [1d\]: thx 
peakoil [3d\]: why start a ko?
Rukis [1k\]: B+6.5
gobugobu [7d\]: the same can be said for if he/she is White
Berham [9k\]: B leads over 10 p
trulia: b + 18.5
RobertT [-\]: b+ 100 points
]
;W[ej]
;B[ai]C[academia [5d\]: Game is over
]
;W[kd]C[gobugobu [7d\]: to make a6 sente
judicata [2d\]: ok. shhhh
]
;B[lc]
;W[ah]
;B[fi]C[trulia: k12
USGO1 [-\]: white resigns
judicata [2d\]: thanks
peakoil [3d\]: w thinking hard about what here?
phub: gg
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo!
Beetlebum [8k\]: gg
peakoil [3d\]: yes thanks!
trulia: thx
peakoil [3d\]: now go watch the new Play More Go Promotional video!
gobugobu [7d\]: thx, Dave
USGO1 [-\]: welcome, good night
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